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Edvard Munch - The Scream
« on: March 19, 2010, 04:14:01 PM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00rbmrx

Love a bit of Melvyn Bragg. Interesting discussion on the excellent painting The Scream and the projection of anxiety which I thought I would share.

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Re: Edvard Munch - The Scream
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2010, 06:37:25 PM »
Interesting how they didn't use the most famous version in the thumbnail. That painting has always terrified me! Ahhh I love Norwegians. Greig and Ibsen are ace.

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Re: Edvard Munch - The Scream
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2010, 11:23:46 AM »
Yeah, I've got into In Our Time recently and learned so many interesting things.

One thing that struck me was that Munch liked his paintings to have a life of their own, such as weathering outside. The show postulated this was due to Munch being influenced by an essay on "chance" by a fellow artist friend. I wonder if this was also influenced by his tragic childhood, thinking he was going to die aged thirteen and losing his sister, who he was very close with?

I think current culture tends to relegate our anxieties to simple things that are potentially "fixable". However, I think this is a form of cultural denial and existential angst still plays a huge part for many of us.

Nietzche's "God is Dead" postulation creates anxiety because Nihilism generates an enormous fear of our own deaths. Belief in eternal life (however unlikely) is very comforting. So without that belief, not only are we crippled with fear of own death, we are then confronted with either accepting the meaningless of life or trying to create meaning. If we try to find meaning, we put enormous pressure on ourselves to achieve something, which then doubles the anxiety!

Creativity is a comfort, as it is bringing something into the world that can live beyond our own lives. I think this is the best form of individual spirituality without the need for dogma. It sounds as if Munch treated his paintings like they were his own children, letting them go and live their own lives. As they said on the program, when The Scream was stolen recently, Munch probably would have regarded it as an adventure for one of his paintings.


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Re: Edvard Munch - The Scream
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2010, 05:13:59 PM »
Thanks for posting this, Dreaming. I'll deffo check that out later.
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Re: Edvard Munch - The Scream
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2010, 01:15:15 AM »
Yeah, I've got into In Our Time recently and learned so many interesting things.

One thing that struck me was that Munch liked his paintings to have a life of their own, such as weathering outside. The show postulated this was due to Munch being influenced by an essay on "chance" by a fellow artist friend. I wonder if this was also influenced by his tragic childhood, thinking he was going to die aged thirteen and losing his sister, who he was very close with?

I think current culture tends to relegate our anxieties to simple things that are potentially "fixable". However, I think this is a form of cultural denial and existential angst still plays a huge part for many of us.

Nietzche's "God is Dead" postulation creates anxiety because Nihilism generates an enormous fear of our own deaths. Belief in eternal life (however unlikely) is very comforting. So without that belief, not only are we crippled with fear of own death, we are then confronted with either accepting the meaningless of life or trying to create meaning. If we try to find meaning, we put enormous pressure on ourselves to achieve something, which then doubles the anxiety!

Creativity is a comfort, as it is bringing something into the world that can live beyond our own lives. I think this is the best form of individual spirituality without the need for dogma. It sounds as if Munch treated his paintings like they were his own children, letting them go and live their own lives. As they said on the program, when The Scream was stolen recently, Munch probably would have regarded it as an adventure for one of his paintings.



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Re: Edvard Munch - The Scream
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2010, 01:31:28 AM »
I decided not to edit but to reply. Who was that awful person who posted that negative rubbish in that last post? Get a grip mr bob there are so many people worse off than yourself!

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Re: Edvard Munch - The Scream
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2010, 08:07:18 AM »
'Peaks and Troughs', 'Swings and Roundabouts', 'Good days and Bad days' - they all sound over-used and cliched and yet are over-used and cliched because they are true.

It is not the hole we are trying to avoid, it is the falling down. The poem actually advocates five stages of denial. I would suggest it is a good argument for carrying a ladder and a torch at all times.  ;)
I'm glad to hear you've made good use of your Ladder and Torch and are having a better day  ;D

I really liked your post about 'The Scream' and had heard the same programme, I would have posted something if I thought I could have added anything extra but thought it was an excellent piece of thinking and posting.  ;)
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Re: Edvard Munch - The Scream
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2010, 09:39:49 AM »
Thanks Stresspuppy.

I forgot to put batteries in my torch last night!

Yesterday was a really tough day and the falling down analogy is spot on. Interesting that an understandable sense of self-doubt about my ability to cope translated into self-loathing.


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Re: Edvard Munch - The Scream
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2010, 02:12:45 PM »
I feel like screaming today, loudly, at myself (full of self-loathing today) and at the women who keeps coming into my office asking me to "just" do this for her and "just" do that for her. All I want to do is scream **** YOU and then run home and cry, but no, am an adult now and such a response would go down like a sack of **** in a working enviroment, so I plod on regardless.

I've just read a message from Brighton Marathon - that will teach me for checking my personal emails at work- and now I am fighting tears and struggling to positive self-talk, thought tag and all that shizzle (which I know does normally help me). I actually just want to go home and hide and not have to deal with a work night out tomorrow/liz night out, marathon, centerparcs, more nights out and all the other stuff that "normal" people love to do. 

GOMB - are you feeling any better. I feel like we should go onto the beach and just scream and scream.

Stresspuppy - I missed you last night

Women who keeps coming into my office to ask me to do stuff even though she is nothing to do with my directorate - **** YOU. AND YOU'VE BEEN WEARING THAT DRESS FOR 4 DAYS NOW - DON'T THINK NO ONE HAS NOTICED.

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Re: Edvard Munch - The Scream
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2010, 09:17:42 PM »
Hi Dreaming - Your In CAPS COMMENTS made me laugh out loud  ;D your a resourceful woman I'm sure you can think of a way of ensuring others don't burden you with extra duties - I'm sure the rest of your work keeps you too busy to do anything else  >:D
I decided to do some physical therapy (at the Gym) instead of the meet last night as I've also missed it and also aware of how good the meets are for me so don't think I'll ever be away for too long  ;)

and Hi GO-MrBob (like that abbreviation - think it suits you - that wonderfully jack russell terrier intellect of yours (that's a compliment - think I mean tenacious - just conjured up terriers chasing things down holes etc  ;D) maybe you need one of those wind-up torches - maybe someone could invent one that runs on the brain whirring of anxious folk?

Take care guys - we shall all meet, laugh  ;D and maybe even scream  >:D but hopefully not cry :'( in the future. 
Did that sound too pretentious - oh well I'm gonna post it anyway.

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Re: Edvard Munch - The Scream
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2010, 09:54:33 PM »
OOps forgot to comment about
Yesterday was a really tough day and the falling down analogy is spot on. Interesting that an understandable sense of self-doubt about my ability to cope translated into self-loathing.
that darned self-esteem thing - why? oh! why? oh! why? - it gets us every damn time!
We really want to be saying **** you to low self esteem rather than turning it into ourselves or out against others!!!!!! well that's got my blood up - I do love a good RANT  >:D

and now I will think about some non-cheesy positive affirmations to use during self-esteem flaggelation!!!!! or maybe I'll just keep hitting the exclamation mark on the keyboard - It's kinda soothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hmm tried just holding the key down not as satisfying as thumping them out individually !!! try it I could be on to something  ;D

Count your blessings daily and remember that no landscape ever looks like the map that represents it.

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Re: Edvard Munch - The Scream
« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2010, 10:36:38 PM »
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, by jove he's right!

I'm feeling better this evening Dreaming thanks, saw my therapist today which really helped. Nothing worse than people badgering you (note the subtle continuation of the hole theme, well not so subtle now I mentioned it) to do work when it isn't their role.

I think Go-MrBob sounds far too active for my personality Stresspuppy. how about dropping the formalities of Mr and go with GOB!

And finally with all these smileys, this is my prediction for England's starting 11 at the World Cup (I've went with a 5-5-1):
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                    O0
         ???    >:(     :o      :-*

 8)        :P     ;D     :D          :'(

                     >:D


As you can see I went with David James in goal and presuming Ashley Cole will recover from injury.